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		<title>By: A book critics award for Wendy Doniger? &#124; The Imagined Universe</title>
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		<dc:creator>A book critics award for Wendy Doniger? &#124; The Imagined Universe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jan 2010 14:45:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] of her book unbelievably wrong &#8211; like her insistence on calling the Aryans cattle thieves.  In my post, I quote people ranging from the American historian John Fiske to Dr. Gopalan Shastri to show that her statement, [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] of her book unbelievably wrong &#8211; like her insistence on calling the Aryans cattle thieves.  In my post, I quote people ranging from the American historian John Fiske to Dr. Gopalan Shastri to show that her statement, [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Ved</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ved</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Jan 2010 15:41:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Navigation is Sanskrit origin word so I think they knew something of geography. -the art of ship building originated in India; cotton &amp; dress originated in India; what is your background that you prefer the same biased and in accurate view of India&#039;s history? Anu in Sanskrit means atom so I think they knew something of &quot;electricity&quot;; the first plastic surgeries occurred in India; medicine as a field of study first occcured in India; (India knowledge regarding healing properties of turmeric and other spices existed hundreds of years before British two years ago attempted to patent turmeric for drug use - this was stopped by knowledgable Indians!)

Please type Famous Hindu scientists in Google to learn of our work in the sciences. You say Shriniwas there are not humans with superpowers? Yet you are unaware of the fact that Hindu sages such as Baba Ramdev can control their body temperature in sub zero weather? The science of meditation, yoga if you research it, alone is practically a super human art &amp; is capable of producing super human effects in terms of biological &amp; physiological impact. And funny isn&#039;t it that God Hanuman inspired &quot;Superman&quot; his flying over city of Lanka!

They did not know the earth was not flat, yet astronomy &amp; astronomical recordings accurate to today&#039;s standards are proven from India?  If you visit Mayan ruins, their astronomical tables still exist &amp; Sanskrit tablets dating to 3000 BC have been found in Brazil. The cell phone you are using today was co created by Jagdish Bose, his work was pivotal in its final creation. As well our ground breaking work in nano technology. The first four integral laws of an atom was spelled out by a Hindu by name of Nila Kantan    -- all of these things you will never learn of in your Rome and Greece propaganda books in west (whose literatures were formed after 1rst cent or just few years before) and whose own history included complete refusal to use numbers in place of sticks by order of the clergy until much recent centuries! See the articles below :)

Vedic age maths &amp; great site re our Hindu Vedic history as documented by actual Vedic Hindus!

http://www.gosai.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Navigation is Sanskrit origin word so I think they knew something of geography. -the art of ship building originated in India; cotton &amp; dress originated in India; what is your background that you prefer the same biased and in accurate view of India&#8217;s history? Anu in Sanskrit means atom so I think they knew something of &#8220;electricity&#8221;; the first plastic surgeries occurred in India; medicine as a field of study first occcured in India; (India knowledge regarding healing properties of turmeric and other spices existed hundreds of years before British two years ago attempted to patent turmeric for drug use &#8211; this was stopped by knowledgable Indians!)</p>
<p>Please type Famous Hindu scientists in Google to learn of our work in the sciences. You say Shriniwas there are not humans with superpowers? Yet you are unaware of the fact that Hindu sages such as Baba Ramdev can control their body temperature in sub zero weather? The science of meditation, yoga if you research it, alone is practically a super human art &amp; is capable of producing super human effects in terms of biological &amp; physiological impact. And funny isn&#8217;t it that God Hanuman inspired &#8220;Superman&#8221; his flying over city of Lanka!</p>
<p>They did not know the earth was not flat, yet astronomy &amp; astronomical recordings accurate to today&#8217;s standards are proven from India?  If you visit Mayan ruins, their astronomical tables still exist &amp; Sanskrit tablets dating to 3000 BC have been found in Brazil. The cell phone you are using today was co created by Jagdish Bose, his work was pivotal in its final creation. As well our ground breaking work in nano technology. The first four integral laws of an atom was spelled out by a Hindu by name of Nila Kantan    &#8212; all of these things you will never learn of in your Rome and Greece propaganda books in west (whose literatures were formed after 1rst cent or just few years before) and whose own history included complete refusal to use numbers in place of sticks by order of the clergy until much recent centuries! See the articles below <img src='http://elekhni.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Vedic age maths &amp; great site re our Hindu Vedic history as documented by actual Vedic Hindus!</p>
<p><a href="http://www.gosai.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.gosai.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: Saraswathi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Saraswathi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Jan 2010 07:40:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Biased opinions and portayals disguised as factual by a Professor of Hinduism, of all things. When Christianity or Judaism is examined, is it done so as a caricature? A caricature exhibited as factual accounts?

 The Laffer curve can help better explain it perhaps since it certainly explains how co efficients in a given model produce negative outcomes in the long run production curve and the causal effect is also indeed a form of flagellation! For the sake of historical essence and purity, this work  is analogous to utilizing aggregate diminishing knowledge of Vedic history (background in Economics as well:) and distorting it as the author deems worthwhile

Taken from an Amazon review of Wendy Doniger&#039;s work &quot;This book wonderfully illustrates the fact that merely possessing two Ph.D. degrees, from prestigious universities though they may be, doesn&#039;t necessarily free one&#039;s mind from deep rooted biases and prejudices&quot;

nor those biased opinions and critiques of others whose history is also rooted in Celtic crosses per se. Interesting side note: the eating of horses, cows, elephants and most animals is strictly prohibited in the Vedas (type sanskrit meaning anu vedabase in Google and find verse 3/6/28). I believe our history and texts are distorted to defend horse and cow eating in France and Ireland since the Bible states &quot;thou hath dominion over all creatures&quot;. There is some need to bastardize our religion and history, in my opinion...and it should not be taken lightly that a Professor is doing this.

Sanskrit texts to those readers who &#039;have time to read and form biased opinions (though referred to as fact?) on our history, religion, and our texts&#039;.

 Ashvamedh Yagnya is in reality: a horse would sit through a ceremony where mantras were chanted and then he would be let go- whosever kingdom he then walked into, that king would either have to give up his kingdom to the king the horse belonged to or fight for his kingdom. There did not ever exist animal sacrifice in majority Vegetarian India then or now. Vedic texts nor India&#039;s Vedic history. British published a dictionary referred to as Vachaspatyam - a book literally, of wrong translations. Max Mueller who referred to the Vedas as &quot;intended from the beginning for an uncivilized race of mere heathens and savages contains a great deal of what is childish and foolish&quot; was behind the paying and distorting of Sanskrit Vedic texts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Biased opinions and portayals disguised as factual by a Professor of Hinduism, of all things. When Christianity or Judaism is examined, is it done so as a caricature? A caricature exhibited as factual accounts?</p>
<p> The Laffer curve can help better explain it perhaps since it certainly explains how co efficients in a given model produce negative outcomes in the long run production curve and the causal effect is also indeed a form of flagellation! For the sake of historical essence and purity, this work  is analogous to utilizing aggregate diminishing knowledge of Vedic history (background in Economics as well:) and distorting it as the author deems worthwhile</p>
<p>Taken from an Amazon review of Wendy Doniger&#8217;s work &#8220;This book wonderfully illustrates the fact that merely possessing two Ph.D. degrees, from prestigious universities though they may be, doesn&#8217;t necessarily free one&#8217;s mind from deep rooted biases and prejudices&#8221;</p>
<p>nor those biased opinions and critiques of others whose history is also rooted in Celtic crosses per se. Interesting side note: the eating of horses, cows, elephants and most animals is strictly prohibited in the Vedas (type sanskrit meaning anu vedabase in Google and find verse 3/6/28). I believe our history and texts are distorted to defend horse and cow eating in France and Ireland since the Bible states &#8220;thou hath dominion over all creatures&#8221;. There is some need to bastardize our religion and history, in my opinion&#8230;and it should not be taken lightly that a Professor is doing this.</p>
<p>Sanskrit texts to those readers who &#8216;have time to read and form biased opinions (though referred to as fact?) on our history, religion, and our texts&#8217;.</p>
<p> Ashvamedh Yagnya is in reality: a horse would sit through a ceremony where mantras were chanted and then he would be let go- whosever kingdom he then walked into, that king would either have to give up his kingdom to the king the horse belonged to or fight for his kingdom. There did not ever exist animal sacrifice in majority Vegetarian India then or now. Vedic texts nor India&#8217;s Vedic history. British published a dictionary referred to as Vachaspatyam &#8211; a book literally, of wrong translations. Max Mueller who referred to the Vedas as &#8220;intended from the beginning for an uncivilized race of mere heathens and savages contains a great deal of what is childish and foolish&#8221; was behind the paying and distorting of Sanskrit Vedic texts.</p>
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		<title>By: Saraswati</title>
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		<dc:creator>Saraswati</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Dec 2009 11:46:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;gory incidents like Tipoo Sultan murdering hundreds of British women and Children or Nana Sahib Peshwe II of Oudh ordered the butchering of British Soldiers wives and Children in 1857&quot;


I would say Europe had many more feudal wars than India who in her 10,000 year history did not systematically anhiallate foreign cultures as Spain Portugal and England did to the Americas; please see Christopher Columbus genocide Daniel Paul article in Google.

What happened re Tippoo Sultan followed the British invasion initiated in Bengal. During British stay in India 10 million Indian Hindus died of famine (an approved genocidal tactic). This did not occur previously in India&#039;s history except during Uk&#039;s 100 year stay in which all things valuable in India were plundered including wealth from our industries. Our GDP plummeted by 20 percentage points from their stay. Invasions are never pretty- Tippoo Sultan killing a few hundred versus all of our wealth and 10 million innocent Indian Hindus is like comparing a drop to a sea; or think of the millions of Natives in America who lost their lives which occured at the same time.

Maya in Sanskrit means illusion. You can still visit and see the ancient astrnomical tables

http://news.yahoo.com/s/livescience/20091223/sc_livescience/ancientmayanslikelyhadfountainsandtoilets.

Article above is regarding plumbing knowledge found in South America; Indus Valley Civilization maintained the oldest and most sophisticated plumbing system.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;gory incidents like Tipoo Sultan murdering hundreds of British women and Children or Nana Sahib Peshwe II of Oudh ordered the butchering of British Soldiers wives and Children in 1857&#8243;</p>
<p>I would say Europe had many more feudal wars than India who in her 10,000 year history did not systematically anhiallate foreign cultures as Spain Portugal and England did to the Americas; please see Christopher Columbus genocide Daniel Paul article in Google.</p>
<p>What happened re Tippoo Sultan followed the British invasion initiated in Bengal. During British stay in India 10 million Indian Hindus died of famine (an approved genocidal tactic). This did not occur previously in India&#8217;s history except during Uk&#8217;s 100 year stay in which all things valuable in India were plundered including wealth from our industries. Our GDP plummeted by 20 percentage points from their stay. Invasions are never pretty- Tippoo Sultan killing a few hundred versus all of our wealth and 10 million innocent Indian Hindus is like comparing a drop to a sea; or think of the millions of Natives in America who lost their lives which occured at the same time.</p>
<p>Maya in Sanskrit means illusion. You can still visit and see the ancient astrnomical tables</p>
<p><a href="http://news.yahoo.com/s/livescience/20091223/sc_livescience/ancientmayanslikelyhadfountainsandtoilets" rel="nofollow">http://news.yahoo.com/s/livescience/20091223/sc_livescience/ancientmayanslikelyhadfountainsandtoilets</a>.</p>
<p>Article above is regarding plumbing knowledge found in South America; Indus Valley Civilization maintained the oldest and most sophisticated plumbing system.</p>
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		<title>By: Saraswati</title>
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		<dc:creator>Saraswati</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Dec 2009 09:39:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://www.nipissingu.ca/department/history/muhlberger/histdem/indiadem.htm

article on Democracy in Ancient India, which preceded Greek ideologies (promoted to fuel Euro centric superiority complex claiming that Democratic thought did not exist outside of Europe), from article:

&quot;Though evidence for non-monarchical government goes back to the Vedas, 12 republican polities were most common and vigorous in the Buddhist period, 600 B.C.-A.D. 200. At this time, India was in the throes of urbanization. The Pali Canon gives a picturesque description of the city of Vesali in the fifth century B.C. as possessing 7707 storied buildings, 7707 pinnacled buildings, 7707 parks and lotus ponds, and a multitude of people, including the famous courtesan Ambapali, whose beauty and artistic achievements contributed mightily to the city&#039;s prosperity and reputation. The cities of Kapilavatthu and Kusavati were likewise full of traffic and noise.13 Moving between these cities were great trading caravans of 500 or 1000 carts&quot;</description>
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<p>article on Democracy in Ancient India, which preceded Greek ideologies (promoted to fuel Euro centric superiority complex claiming that Democratic thought did not exist outside of Europe), from article:</p>
<p>&#8220;Though evidence for non-monarchical government goes back to the Vedas, 12 republican polities were most common and vigorous in the Buddhist period, 600 B.C.-A.D. 200. At this time, India was in the throes of urbanization. The Pali Canon gives a picturesque description of the city of Vesali in the fifth century B.C. as possessing 7707 storied buildings, 7707 pinnacled buildings, 7707 parks and lotus ponds, and a multitude of people, including the famous courtesan Ambapali, whose beauty and artistic achievements contributed mightily to the city&#8217;s prosperity and reputation. The cities of Kapilavatthu and Kusavati were likewise full of traffic and noise.13 Moving between these cities were great trading caravans of 500 or 1000 carts&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Sita (actual Hindu girl)</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sita (actual Hindu girl)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Dec 2009 08:29:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you Sandeep

please go through my blog http://raani26.blogspot.com

for some great links re our India&#039;s history or just go directly to

http://2ndlook.wordpress.com/2009/02/17/what-happened-to-alexanders-loot-from-india/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you Sandeep</p>
<p>please go through my blog <a href="http://raani26.blogspot.com" rel="nofollow">http://raani26.blogspot.com</a></p>
<p>for some great links re our India&#8217;s history or just go directly to</p>
<p><a href="http://2ndlook.wordpress.com/2009/02/17/what-happened-to-alexanders-loot-from-india/" rel="nofollow">http://2ndlook.wordpress.com/2009/02/17/what-happened-to-alexanders-loot-from-india/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Sita (actual Hindu girl)</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sita (actual Hindu girl)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Dec 2009 07:55:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is no prejudice however, from the opinion that makes light of the author Wendy Doniger by stating, well just read her other work and don&#039;t make a big deal of it!

I apologize that it is my history and culture, so I found it necessary to poke fun at someone who would make &quot;light of it&quot; and ask &quot;why bother having an opinion of the author&quot; then go on about the biography of the author, and then on about how it is &quot;utterly ridiculous that such ideas are accepted into mainstream&quot;

I am just fascinated by all the paradoxes and subpar opinons on opinons and blogs of those things that are important to actual Hindu Indians, sorry.

and thank you Gorigirl for removing the &quot;overall 40% of South Asian males are marrying out while 25% of South Asian females are marrying out&quot;.

Perhaps she has too much time to form opinions on subjects that don&#039;t really matter to her and opinions on those that it does matter to!

:) What the heck, lol!! I wish I had that much time!! :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is no prejudice however, from the opinion that makes light of the author Wendy Doniger by stating, well just read her other work and don&#8217;t make a big deal of it!</p>
<p>I apologize that it is my history and culture, so I found it necessary to poke fun at someone who would make &#8220;light of it&#8221; and ask &#8220;why bother having an opinion of the author&#8221; then go on about the biography of the author, and then on about how it is &#8220;utterly ridiculous that such ideas are accepted into mainstream&#8221;</p>
<p>I am just fascinated by all the paradoxes and subpar opinons on opinons and blogs of those things that are important to actual Hindu Indians, sorry.</p>
<p>and thank you Gorigirl for removing the &#8220;overall 40% of South Asian males are marrying out while 25% of South Asian females are marrying out&#8221;.</p>
<p>Perhaps she has too much time to form opinions on subjects that don&#8217;t really matter to her and opinions on those that it does matter to!<br />
 <img src='http://elekhni.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  What the heck, lol!! I wish I had that much time!! <img src='http://elekhni.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Shriniwas Kulkarni</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shriniwas Kulkarni</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Dec 2009 07:45:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Top it off with half dozen Tacqsheela Shots!</description>
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		<title>By: Shriniwas Kulkarni</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shriniwas Kulkarni</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Dec 2009 07:43:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You still dont get the point do you! No one can plunder history - its there in the past. They can slander our scripture but that is inconsequential. Those scriptures are scriptures, they dont mean anything in todays world at least for tangible reasons.
I agree that the Leftist Indian government history books have long twisted Indian history but changing that does not solve any problems that India faces. While the developed world moves toward post Modernism, India lags behind in feudal medieval quarrels. gory incidents like Tipoo Sultan murdering hundreds of British women and Children or Nana Sahib Peshwe II of Oudh ordered the butchering of British Soldiers wives and Children in 1857, the systematic trauma of Hindu Women by Sati is often forgotten in the mad rush for patriotism.

I ask you for once - IF you care so much about Hindu scripture and History and its preservation, picking fights on Blog should be the last thing anyone should do.

Dharmic philosophy and spirituality has immense impact on todays world. However hard anyone tried or tries, Hinduism wont go away - it will be rediscovered again and again. At the same time fighting for Hindu supremacy is as lunatic as Muslims claiming that Quran is ONLY word of so called God. Man is innately competitive and its natural that there will be clash of societies. I would suggest you take the chill pill and carefully read our history and separate it out from our values and spirituality. The moment you blur the lines between what happened to us as men in real history and what happened as per scripture/holy books, things get nasty ...
Adios!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You still dont get the point do you! No one can plunder history &#8211; its there in the past. They can slander our scripture but that is inconsequential. Those scriptures are scriptures, they dont mean anything in todays world at least for tangible reasons.<br />
I agree that the Leftist Indian government history books have long twisted Indian history but changing that does not solve any problems that India faces. While the developed world moves toward post Modernism, India lags behind in feudal medieval quarrels. gory incidents like Tipoo Sultan murdering hundreds of British women and Children or Nana Sahib Peshwe II of Oudh ordered the butchering of British Soldiers wives and Children in 1857, the systematic trauma of Hindu Women by Sati is often forgotten in the mad rush for patriotism.</p>
<p>I ask you for once &#8211; IF you care so much about Hindu scripture and History and its preservation, picking fights on Blog should be the last thing anyone should do.</p>
<p>Dharmic philosophy and spirituality has immense impact on todays world. However hard anyone tried or tries, Hinduism wont go away &#8211; it will be rediscovered again and again. At the same time fighting for Hindu supremacy is as lunatic as Muslims claiming that Quran is ONLY word of so called God. Man is innately competitive and its natural that there will be clash of societies. I would suggest you take the chill pill and carefully read our history and separate it out from our values and spirituality. The moment you blur the lines between what happened to us as men in real history and what happened as per scripture/holy books, things get nasty &#8230;<br />
Adios!</p>
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