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		<title>By: matt nathanson music fan</title>
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		<dc:creator>matt nathanson music fan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Jan 2010 07:31:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like what you have to say</description>
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		<title>By: Quirk Quotient</title>
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		<dc:creator>Quirk Quotient</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Sep 2009 10:30:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I stumbled across your blog the other day. Even though some of your posts are long, you have a very engaging style of writing, which allows the reader to maintain his interest and continue reading. Very nice blog and by the way, I am also a big fan of Wodehouse (who wouldn&#039;t be).

As far as your views on the Niketa Mehta case go, based on your argument &quot;If we continue to take the position that the foetus is an independent legal entity&quot;, it becomes a question of who decides who lives and dies. If we take the case of a born child (an independent legal entity), does the mother have the right to kill the child because it is has some terminal disease and everyone involved is going through immense physical and/or emotional pain? Probably not. I am not sure how this case would be different than the arguments you have mentioned.

In this case, it becomes more of a philosophical question as to who decides as to who lives and who dies. Should we allow the mother to kill a child with a terminal disease? Why is this case different, if we consider the born child as a legal independent entity? Isn&#039;t it a question as to when do we think a human form becomes a legal independent entity rather than whether it is a foetus (inside the mother&#039;s body) or a born child (or outside the mother&#039;s body)?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I stumbled across your blog the other day. Even though some of your posts are long, you have a very engaging style of writing, which allows the reader to maintain his interest and continue reading. Very nice blog and by the way, I am also a big fan of Wodehouse (who wouldn&#8217;t be).</p>
<p>As far as your views on the Niketa Mehta case go, based on your argument &#8220;If we continue to take the position that the foetus is an independent legal entity&#8221;, it becomes a question of who decides who lives and dies. If we take the case of a born child (an independent legal entity), does the mother have the right to kill the child because it is has some terminal disease and everyone involved is going through immense physical and/or emotional pain? Probably not. I am not sure how this case would be different than the arguments you have mentioned.</p>
<p>In this case, it becomes more of a philosophical question as to who decides as to who lives and who dies. Should we allow the mother to kill a child with a terminal disease? Why is this case different, if we consider the born child as a legal independent entity? Isn&#8217;t it a question as to when do we think a human form becomes a legal independent entity rather than whether it is a foetus (inside the mother&#8217;s body) or a born child (or outside the mother&#8217;s body)?</p>
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		<title>By: ?????? ??????? ???? &#171; sowmyawrites &#8230;.</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 18 May 2009 09:04:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: That kind of a woman &#171; Muse Cruise</title>
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		<dc:creator>That kind of a woman &#171; Muse Cruise</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2008 07:55:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Manvantara</title>
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		<dc:creator>Manvantara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Aug 2008 08:29:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with you that the decision is to be left with the mother.
I have a cousin who has a &quot;child&quot; who is 30 years old. 30 years ago, this baby was born with a heart defect (that is not possible to be corrected). Because of the defect, both her physical and mental development were arrested - she cannot even walk to the bathroom on her own; well, she does not even know when she needs to go. And yet, there she is, eats some food daily and exists.
Those who talk about &quot;murder&quot; and pain for the foetus from the abortion, can they comprehend, even one bit, how the lives of the parents in this case changed? They had an older daughter (normal) but do you think they could give her adequate attention?
My mother has, on several occasions, taken care of this 30 year old, to help give my cousin some time off, and my mother&#039;s take is that this 30 year old would have been better off had she not been born (with such horrible defects). This from someone who has a mentally retarded sibling.

It is easy for a majority of us to be intellectual and argue things from the comfort of our homes, without realizing exactly what we are talking about. The suffering is someone ELSE&#039;s and in reality, what locus standee do we have to say it is &quot;wrong&quot;?

That said, my gut feel says that this couple took the decision into their own hands, which is fine. I have no qualms in admitting that I might have done the same, had I been in their unenviable position of knowing about carrying a foetus that had a heart defect and being forced to carry it to term.

&lt;strong&gt;&lt;em&gt;Lekhni:  That&#039;s a heart-rending story.  You are right, people can sit around and share their opinions, but they don&#039;t have any stake in the issue.  If one starts to make the assumption that parents, who are going to be responsible for their kids all their lives, are not the best judge, then who really is?

We talk about the foetus&#039;s suffering, but what about the daily suffering a mother goes through watching a disabled child struggle to do even basic tasks?  What about the pain a mother feels when she wonders why she put her child through all this suffering?  What about the physical and emotional suffering of that child that it cannot even begin to articulate?  :(

There are no easy answers, but the mother should at least have the right to make the final decison..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with you that the decision is to be left with the mother.<br />
I have a cousin who has a &#8220;child&#8221; who is 30 years old. 30 years ago, this baby was born with a heart defect (that is not possible to be corrected). Because of the defect, both her physical and mental development were arrested &#8211; she cannot even walk to the bathroom on her own; well, she does not even know when she needs to go. And yet, there she is, eats some food daily and exists.<br />
Those who talk about &#8220;murder&#8221; and pain for the foetus from the abortion, can they comprehend, even one bit, how the lives of the parents in this case changed? They had an older daughter (normal) but do you think they could give her adequate attention?<br />
My mother has, on several occasions, taken care of this 30 year old, to help give my cousin some time off, and my mother&#8217;s take is that this 30 year old would have been better off had she not been born (with such horrible defects). This from someone who has a mentally retarded sibling.</p>
<p>It is easy for a majority of us to be intellectual and argue things from the comfort of our homes, without realizing exactly what we are talking about. The suffering is someone ELSE&#8217;s and in reality, what locus standee do we have to say it is &#8220;wrong&#8221;?</p>
<p>That said, my gut feel says that this couple took the decision into their own hands, which is fine. I have no qualms in admitting that I might have done the same, had I been in their unenviable position of knowing about carrying a foetus that had a heart defect and being forced to carry it to term.</p>
<p><strong><em>Lekhni:  That&#8217;s a heart-rending story.  You are right, people can sit around and share their opinions, but they don&#8217;t have any stake in the issue.  If one starts to make the assumption that parents, who are going to be responsible for their kids all their lives, are not the best judge, then who really is?</p>
<p>We talk about the foetus&#8217;s suffering, but what about the daily suffering a mother goes through watching a disabled child struggle to do even basic tasks?  What about the pain a mother feels when she wonders why she put her child through all this suffering?  What about the physical and emotional suffering of that child that it cannot even begin to articulate?  <img src='http://elekhni.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':(' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>There are no easy answers, but the mother should at least have the right to make the final decison..</em></strong></p>
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		<title>By: Peeyush</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peeyush</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Aug 2008 22:21:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nicely presented and aptly concluded

State cannot take away the right of a person on her body.period.

In my opinion,even state do not take responsibility of a foetus. It is not counted as part of population, not issued any ration card/id/passport, do not have any certificate like birth/death etc etc etc........in short it is not considered as a citizen/individual. When state itself do not consider foetus as a LIFE/individual, what right does it has to dictate terms for/againt it....Knowingly or not, state has left the responsibility entirely to the parents, so it should be their call on the matter. Who are we/state to act as moral police..??

&lt;strong&gt;&lt;em&gt;Lekhni:  You are right.  I deplore this tendency of the State to insinuate itself into the private life of a woman on specious moral grounds :(  &quot;Moral police&quot; sums it up perfectly :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nicely presented and aptly concluded</p>
<p>State cannot take away the right of a person on her body.period.</p>
<p>In my opinion,even state do not take responsibility of a foetus. It is not counted as part of population, not issued any ration card/id/passport, do not have any certificate like birth/death etc etc etc&#8230;&#8230;..in short it is not considered as a citizen/individual. When state itself do not consider foetus as a LIFE/individual, what right does it has to dictate terms for/againt it&#8230;.Knowingly or not, state has left the responsibility entirely to the parents, so it should be their call on the matter. Who are we/state to act as moral police..??</p>
<p><strong><em>Lekhni:  You are right.  I deplore this tendency of the State to insinuate itself into the private life of a woman on specious moral grounds <img src='http://elekhni.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':(' class='wp-smiley' />   &#8220;Moral police&#8221; sums it up perfectly <img src='http://elekhni.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </em></strong></p>
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		<title>By: khjhk</title>
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		<dc:creator>khjhk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Aug 2008 20:14:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your argument about a mother&#039;s labor pain against an unborn baby&#039;s pain in abortion is idiotic to put it politely. My friends have had babies through natural birth and they have confirmed the pain is only for the moments when the baby is passing through the birth canal. But the baby during abortion is killed you moron. He/she doesnt get anesthesia - s/he is cut into pieces alive or his brain sucked out during late term abortions.

You all would have been horified if the same treatment was given to a convicted criminal, but you can happily endorse the killing of an unborn baby from the comfort of your home. If you don&#039;t like my attitude that&#039;s your problem right. Just as if a mother doesnt want her baby, its her baby&#039;s problem to face death. go figure it out in your heads, you people are endorsing a violent killing of a baby while you whine that you are being good to think of the mother.

&lt;strong&gt;&lt;em&gt;Lekhni:  This post must be popular! I&#039;ve already received my first comment on it from an anonymous troll !  I was wondering if all the trolls had disappeared - thanks for keeping my faith in trolls alive ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your argument about a mother&#8217;s labor pain against an unborn baby&#8217;s pain in abortion is idiotic to put it politely. My friends have had babies through natural birth and they have confirmed the pain is only for the moments when the baby is passing through the birth canal. But the baby during abortion is killed you moron. He/she doesnt get anesthesia &#8211; s/he is cut into pieces alive or his brain sucked out during late term abortions.</p>
<p>You all would have been horified if the same treatment was given to a convicted criminal, but you can happily endorse the killing of an unborn baby from the comfort of your home. If you don&#8217;t like my attitude that&#8217;s your problem right. Just as if a mother doesnt want her baby, its her baby&#8217;s problem to face death. go figure it out in your heads, you people are endorsing a violent killing of a baby while you whine that you are being good to think of the mother.</p>
<p><strong><em>Lekhni:  This post must be popular! I&#8217;ve already received my first comment on it from an anonymous troll !  I was wondering if all the trolls had disappeared &#8211; thanks for keeping my faith in trolls alive <img src='http://elekhni.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </em></strong></p>
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		<title>By: indianhomemaker</title>
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		<dc:creator>indianhomemaker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Aug 2008 18:16:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I did not write a post on it, I did not know what to think of it, I was totally confused. Can&#039;t say I am very clear even now, but I do agree with this much, that a woman must have a right over her own body.
It bothers me that the baby can feel pain if aborted at this stage...

&lt;strong&gt;&lt;em&gt;Lekhni:  I agree, it is not easy for a mother to do this knowing the baby would feel pain :(</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I did not write a post on it, I did not know what to think of it, I was totally confused. Can&#8217;t say I am very clear even now, but I do agree with this much, that a woman must have a right over her own body.<br />
It bothers me that the baby can feel pain if aborted at this stage&#8230;</p>
<p><strong><em>Lekhni:  I agree, it is not easy for a mother to do this knowing the baby would feel pain <img src='http://elekhni.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':(' class='wp-smiley' /> </em></strong></p>
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		<title>By: Subhashani</title>
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		<dc:creator>Subhashani</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Aug 2008 18:58:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Lekhni,
Very well written and argued. I totally agree with you. I could not have put my thoughts on the subject in better words. I really wish the best for the Mehta&#039;s. Nice to know that someone out there shares the thought.

Thanks
Subhashani

&lt;strong&gt;&lt;em&gt;Lekhni:  Thanks, Subhashani :) Yes, I hope Niketa finds the strength to do whatever she thinks is right!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Lekhni,<br />
Very well written and argued. I totally agree with you. I could not have put my thoughts on the subject in better words. I really wish the best for the Mehta&#8217;s. Nice to know that someone out there shares the thought.</p>
<p>Thanks<br />
Subhashani</p>
<p><strong><em>Lekhni:  Thanks, Subhashani <img src='http://elekhni.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  Yes, I hope Niketa finds the strength to do whatever she thinks is right!</em></strong></p>
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