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		<title>By: quaintlee</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Apr 2009 02:56:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Although all that you have written seems quite reasonable and logical on what actual evidence do you base your reasoning on. You say that resettlement is not advisable - have you spoken to slum dwellers who have been resettled how they felt about it? I do not know much about the topic but my maid is one of those slum dwellers who was resettled. She now travels one hour everyday to get to work. I said &#039;that must be tough, they shouldn&#039;t have forced you to move out&#039;. She said no, she was happy with the resettlement, now she can leave her little daughter at home and not worry about lecherous neighbours. She feels much safer, and it is cleaner than the slum was. I think instead of drawing our own &#039;rational&#039; conclusions about issues, we need to go and ask the people what they want and offer them choices and options. Let there be resettlement colonies for those who wish to move and stay there and at the same time improve the conditions in the slums themselves to whatever extent possible. Both are important - you do not have the resources to resettle millions of slum dwellers and nor are all of them willing to do so. Its not an either-or, both things need to be done - resettlement and improvement of slums.

We keep looking for solutions because the obvious solutions are too ardous. We think we will find some simpler, easier solution to this great issue. But its as simple as:
1. Providing resettlement options
2. Improving infrastructure to whatever extent possible in existing slums
3. Keeping an eye out for potential slums
4. Going to the root of the matter - overall progress and development
5. Land rights for slum dwellers allowing upgradation and access to basic utilities

One solution wont work for all slums, or even for all people within one slum - the slum-dwellers need to be involved in the decisions and planning and be given options, choices and empowered to improve their lot.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Although all that you have written seems quite reasonable and logical on what actual evidence do you base your reasoning on. You say that resettlement is not advisable &#8211; have you spoken to slum dwellers who have been resettled how they felt about it? I do not know much about the topic but my maid is one of those slum dwellers who was resettled. She now travels one hour everyday to get to work. I said &#8216;that must be tough, they shouldn&#8217;t have forced you to move out&#8217;. She said no, she was happy with the resettlement, now she can leave her little daughter at home and not worry about lecherous neighbours. She feels much safer, and it is cleaner than the slum was. I think instead of drawing our own &#8216;rational&#8217; conclusions about issues, we need to go and ask the people what they want and offer them choices and options. Let there be resettlement colonies for those who wish to move and stay there and at the same time improve the conditions in the slums themselves to whatever extent possible. Both are important &#8211; you do not have the resources to resettle millions of slum dwellers and nor are all of them willing to do so. Its not an either-or, both things need to be done &#8211; resettlement and improvement of slums.</p>
<p>We keep looking for solutions because the obvious solutions are too ardous. We think we will find some simpler, easier solution to this great issue. But its as simple as:<br />
1. Providing resettlement options<br />
2. Improving infrastructure to whatever extent possible in existing slums<br />
3. Keeping an eye out for potential slums<br />
4. Going to the root of the matter &#8211; overall progress and development<br />
5. Land rights for slum dwellers allowing upgradation and access to basic utilities</p>
<p>One solution wont work for all slums, or even for all people within one slum &#8211; the slum-dwellers need to be involved in the decisions and planning and be given options, choices and empowered to improve their lot.</p>
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		<title>By: Dilip D'Souza</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dilip D'Souza</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Feb 2008 05:18:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I suppose due to the Egypt anchor dropping fiasco, I have not had broadband for several days now, and that has prevented me from coming here earlier to leave a comment.

Thanks for this post, which explains some things a lot more clearly than I could have. A couple of clarifications: I don&#039;t at all believe you &quot;took over&quot; my comments section, and I would never consider email from you spam.

My basic point in this comment is to agree with this: resettling slum residents has never worked, and the way it is pursued now, it will never work. Slums will persist as long as it&#039;s assumed that the way to address the issue is to remove the slums and shunt residents &quot;out&quot; (wherever that is); as long as job opportunities in rural areas continue to lag; as long as rental housing in cities remains expensive and in short supply; and as long as slum residents are seen as &quot;encroachers&quot;, somehow superfluous to the urban economy instead of an integral part of it.

You&#039;ve covered much of what I&#039;d have liked to say, so I won&#039;t repeat. But as for solutions, I would add that slum residents should somehow get secure title to their land.

I have also heard from some slum residents who have moved into buildings how they miss the social interaction they used to have. But for at least some of the families I spoke to, the convenience and benefits of their new flats were weightier considerations.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I suppose due to the Egypt anchor dropping fiasco, I have not had broadband for several days now, and that has prevented me from coming here earlier to leave a comment.</p>
<p>Thanks for this post, which explains some things a lot more clearly than I could have. A couple of clarifications: I don&#8217;t at all believe you &#8220;took over&#8221; my comments section, and I would never consider email from you spam.</p>
<p>My basic point in this comment is to agree with this: resettling slum residents has never worked, and the way it is pursued now, it will never work. Slums will persist as long as it&#8217;s assumed that the way to address the issue is to remove the slums and shunt residents &#8220;out&#8221; (wherever that is); as long as job opportunities in rural areas continue to lag; as long as rental housing in cities remains expensive and in short supply; and as long as slum residents are seen as &#8220;encroachers&#8221;, somehow superfluous to the urban economy instead of an integral part of it.</p>
<p>You&#8217;ve covered much of what I&#8217;d have liked to say, so I won&#8217;t repeat. But as for solutions, I would add that slum residents should somehow get secure title to their land.</p>
<p>I have also heard from some slum residents who have moved into buildings how they miss the social interaction they used to have. But for at least some of the families I spoke to, the convenience and benefits of their new flats were weightier considerations.</p>
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		<title>By: Mangojuice</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mangojuice</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Feb 2008 22:15:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I kinda agree, how many times have we heard of people initially moving from a slum to govt. subsidized housing only to return back to their original habitat and renting out their subsidized apartment. They have the benefit of getting extra rental income courtesy the govt. of India.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I kinda agree, how many times have we heard of people initially moving from a slum to govt. subsidized housing only to return back to their original habitat and renting out their subsidized apartment. They have the benefit of getting extra rental income courtesy the govt. of India.</p>
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		<title>By: Kamini</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kamini</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Feb 2008 17:44:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lekhni,
This is great stuff.  Thanks for opening my eyes to an issue that I know embarrassingly little about.
Kamini,</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lekhni,<br />
This is great stuff.  Thanks for opening my eyes to an issue that I know embarrassingly little about.<br />
Kamini,</p>
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		<title>By: A Cynic In Wonderland</title>
		<link>http://elekhni.com/2008/01/on-slums-and-slum-resettlement/comment-page-1/#comment-410</link>
		<dc:creator>A Cynic In Wonderland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Feb 2008 05:07:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>..to add to what you have suggested lekhini, i think there needs to be some sensitization to the long term benefits of retaining the new apt. A hugely difficult task - most slum dwellers and indeed a lot of the lower socio-economic strata tend to be exceedingly myopic. The only thing which i can see would be if they were given an allowance to stay within the complex - and am not sure whether that is a really viable and possible solution.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>..to add to what you have suggested lekhini, i think there needs to be some sensitization to the long term benefits of retaining the new apt. A hugely difficult task &#8211; most slum dwellers and indeed a lot of the lower socio-economic strata tend to be exceedingly myopic. The only thing which i can see would be if they were given an allowance to stay within the complex &#8211; and am not sure whether that is a really viable and possible solution.</p>
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		<title>By: lekhni</title>
		<link>http://elekhni.com/2008/01/on-slums-and-slum-resettlement/comment-page-1/#comment-409</link>
		<dc:creator>lekhni</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2008 16:42:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;km&lt;/strong&gt;:  No, I do not have Dilip&#039;s email id.  Do you think I should email? I&#039;ve already taken over his comment section, now he might wonder at my spamming him as well :P

I read a news report some time back about former slum dwellers missing the interaction in their new apartments and going back to their slums. This was either in Mumbai or Delhi, and I can&#039;t find the article now, or I would have linked to it.

Edit: I have &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.nytimes.com/2006/12/15/business/worldbusiness/15slums.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;found the article now&lt;/a&gt;, and I will link it up in the main post also.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>km</strong>:  No, I do not have Dilip&#8217;s email id.  Do you think I should email? I&#8217;ve already taken over his comment section, now he might wonder at my spamming him as well <img src='http://elekhni.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif' alt=':P' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>I read a news report some time back about former slum dwellers missing the interaction in their new apartments and going back to their slums. This was either in Mumbai or Delhi, and I can&#8217;t find the article now, or I would have linked to it.</p>
<p>Edit: I have <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2006/12/15/business/worldbusiness/15slums.html" rel="nofollow">found the article now</a>, and I will link it up in the main post also.</p>
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		<title>By: km</title>
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		<dc:creator>km</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2008 16:27:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lekhni: you should email a link to this excellent post to Dilip? (If you don&#039;t have his email address, I can forward it to him for you.)

Having said that, do you have any references to back your claim there being more interaction among slum-dwellers, or is it purely anecdotal? (I am curious and not questioning this claim, so please don&#039;t get my tone wrong.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lekhni: you should email a link to this excellent post to Dilip? (If you don&#8217;t have his email address, I can forward it to him for you.)</p>
<p>Having said that, do you have any references to back your claim there being more interaction among slum-dwellers, or is it purely anecdotal? (I am curious and not questioning this claim, so please don&#8217;t get my tone wrong.)</p>
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		<title>By: lekhni</title>
		<link>http://elekhni.com/2008/01/on-slums-and-slum-resettlement/comment-page-1/#comment-407</link>
		<dc:creator>lekhni</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2008 14:42:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Vinod&lt;/strong&gt;:  No, not &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dinesh_D%27Souza&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Dinesh D&#039;Souza&lt;/a&gt; :)  Dinesh will probably inform all slum dwellers that they have sinned and say that slums are all due to the &quot;cultural left&quot;.

&lt;strong&gt;Narendra Shenoy&lt;/strong&gt;: Your argument is exactly the same argument for cross-subsidization that Dilip D&#039;Souza talks about - he explains why it will never work.  (Free government land is also a subsidy).

Again, we are only talking about resettlement here,  but the slum dwellers will only move if employment opportunities are available in the new place.

&lt;strong&gt;Vivek&lt;/strong&gt; and &lt;strong&gt;BPSK&lt;/strong&gt; : I agree, to look at this issue comprehensively, we should also look at the issue of why people migrate into cities in the first place.

I agree that failure of agriculture is a big cause. Lack of proper irrigation, GM crops, lack of crop insurance or financing, and many more issues that we in the cities are not even aware of because the press devotes so little space to rural India.

Education and health care are also not available in the villages.  The government should definitely address all these issues and improve infrastructure in rural India.  Improving rural infrastructure and creating tax incentives should definitely move some businesses into villages/ small towns and create more employment opportunities in rural India.

But until all this happens, people will continue to pour into the cities, so improving the existing infrastructure in slums should also happen simultaneously.

My second suggestion also addresses the issue of new migrants. The government should proactively create planned areas (with employment opportunities nearby) where new development can take place, so newer migrants have better conditions to live in, and so they don&#039;t occupy existing slums.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Vinod</strong>:  No, not <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dinesh_D%27Souza" rel="nofollow">Dinesh D&#8217;Souza</a> <img src='http://elekhni.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />   Dinesh will probably inform all slum dwellers that they have sinned and say that slums are all due to the &#8220;cultural left&#8221;.</p>
<p><strong>Narendra Shenoy</strong>: Your argument is exactly the same argument for cross-subsidization that Dilip D&#8217;Souza talks about &#8211; he explains why it will never work.  (Free government land is also a subsidy).</p>
<p>Again, we are only talking about resettlement here,  but the slum dwellers will only move if employment opportunities are available in the new place.</p>
<p><strong>Vivek</strong> and <strong>BPSK</strong> : I agree, to look at this issue comprehensively, we should also look at the issue of why people migrate into cities in the first place.</p>
<p>I agree that failure of agriculture is a big cause. Lack of proper irrigation, GM crops, lack of crop insurance or financing, and many more issues that we in the cities are not even aware of because the press devotes so little space to rural India.</p>
<p>Education and health care are also not available in the villages.  The government should definitely address all these issues and improve infrastructure in rural India.  Improving rural infrastructure and creating tax incentives should definitely move some businesses into villages/ small towns and create more employment opportunities in rural India.</p>
<p>But until all this happens, people will continue to pour into the cities, so improving the existing infrastructure in slums should also happen simultaneously.</p>
<p>My second suggestion also addresses the issue of new migrants. The government should proactively create planned areas (with employment opportunities nearby) where new development can take place, so newer migrants have better conditions to live in, and so they don&#8217;t occupy existing slums.</p>
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		<title>By: Vivek</title>
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		<dc:creator>Vivek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2008 13:03:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The presence (or absence) of slums is part of an Economic Theory called &#039;trickle down effect&#039;.

The Slum dweller is an &#039;Internal Refugee&#039;. He doesnt belong to the metropolis that he resides in. He is a migrant from some other part of India. He comes to the city in search of livelihood. He is unable to find opportunities to earn in his village. The bulk of India&#039;s growth is happening in the cities. If we do a demographic profile of the slum dweller in Mumbai (by region), you will find that he is largely from those states which have a lower Development Index.

Some of the things that we need to focus on are (not a complete list)

-  Reasons for failure of Agriculture. This is a major cause why farmers migrate to cities in search of alternative livelihood.

-  Even the slum dweller knows that his next generation need not live in the slums if his kids are properly educated. he is willing to spend on Education. The Government must provide the infrastructure. There is a lot of policy framed by successive governments about  increasing Govt&#039;s education budget in the 10th Plan to 6% of GDP. The Tenth Plan ended in 2007 - the budget has not yet crossed 2%

The Slum inhabitant is not a fixed number. Building any infrastructure for Dharavi is not an end by itself. The existing inmates will move to whatever is provided, but their place will be taken up by more migrants. This will continue unless we address the root cause - livelihood in the villages. Clearly, the trickle down effect isnt working yet. The inequality between the haves and have-nots is increasing. Simon Kuznet postulates (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kuznets_curve) that inequality will initially increase and decrease subsequently. Can we afford to wait that long ?

In my view, the solution lies in India&#039;s villages and not in the cities.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The presence (or absence) of slums is part of an Economic Theory called &#8216;trickle down effect&#8217;.</p>
<p>The Slum dweller is an &#8216;Internal Refugee&#8217;. He doesnt belong to the metropolis that he resides in. He is a migrant from some other part of India. He comes to the city in search of livelihood. He is unable to find opportunities to earn in his village. The bulk of India&#8217;s growth is happening in the cities. If we do a demographic profile of the slum dweller in Mumbai (by region), you will find that he is largely from those states which have a lower Development Index.</p>
<p>Some of the things that we need to focus on are (not a complete list)</p>
<p>-  Reasons for failure of Agriculture. This is a major cause why farmers migrate to cities in search of alternative livelihood.</p>
<p>-  Even the slum dweller knows that his next generation need not live in the slums if his kids are properly educated. he is willing to spend on Education. The Government must provide the infrastructure. There is a lot of policy framed by successive governments about  increasing Govt&#8217;s education budget in the 10th Plan to 6% of GDP. The Tenth Plan ended in 2007 &#8211; the budget has not yet crossed 2%</p>
<p>The Slum inhabitant is not a fixed number. Building any infrastructure for Dharavi is not an end by itself. The existing inmates will move to whatever is provided, but their place will be taken up by more migrants. This will continue unless we address the root cause &#8211; livelihood in the villages. Clearly, the trickle down effect isnt working yet. The inequality between the haves and have-nots is increasing. Simon Kuznet postulates (<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kuznets_curve" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kuznets_curve</a>) that inequality will initially increase and decrease subsequently. Can we afford to wait that long ?</p>
<p>In my view, the solution lies in India&#8217;s villages and not in the cities.</p>
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